“Balls in the Air with Charlie Rymer” Podcast Episode 21: Reviewing the Year in Golf (So Far) with Billy Kratzert

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Charlie Rymer (00:09):

We’re recording now. All right, folks. Hi and welcome into the Charlie Rymer Balls in the Air Podcast. I’m your incompetent host, Charlie Rymer.

Charlie Rymer (00:20):

Here’s why I’m laughing, I just called up the other day, my best buddy on the planet, Billy Kratzert, was a four time PGA TOUR winner. He got one top 10 over on the PGA TOUR Champions, that came at the Royal Caribbean back in 2003 and you’re going to find that while I’m laughing here in a second.

Charlie Rymer (00:38):

And yes, I was on the bag for him that week as a one top 10 on a PGA TOUR Champions. He’s a lot better at TV than he is at putting these days. Nobody strikes it better than him I can tell you that, he drives it beautifully. Nobody hit it better than him that week. And if he’d listened to me, I kept telling him to get his putts to the hole. He left everything short. I think he’d have won no problem, but he never listens to me.

Charlie Rymer (01:01):

But the reason I’m laughing is we’re obviously recording this podcast and we’re a good 10, 12 minutes into it. Billy was absolutely killing it. And I had to interrupt him because yes, I forgot to push the record button.

Charlie Rymer (01:13):

So Billy, I apologize. Go ahead and light me up. I deserve it. I know you’ve done a ton of media the last 25 years. You’ve been on air talking about golf, whether it’s calling live golf, doing a lot of studio work for Golf Channel, PGA TOUR Live, other networks. If you ever had anybody just flat out not push the record button?

Billy Kratzert (01:37):

Yeah. And believe me, you and I both know that 60 seconds to air there were many, many times that we did not know if we were even going to be on air, so I’m going to give you a hall pass right here.

Charlie Rymer (01:51):

Mulligan.

Billy Kratzert (01:53):

You got a Mulligan and thanks for bringing up the putting. Usually when people struggle or they have the mini yips or yips, pretty much they leave every putt short and that’s what happened for the 54 holes down there. There were a couple that maybe slid in the front door, the side door, but you did a heck of a job.

Billy Kratzert (02:14):

I am going to say you were probably the worst dressed caddy.

Charlie Rymer (02:19):

Yeah, by design.

Billy Kratzert (02:22):

Were you trying to imitate Carl from Caddyshack?

Charlie Rymer (02:26):

Yeah. I had to be the worst smelling too because you know how much I sweat, I didn’t shower the whole week either.

Billy Kratzert (02:33):

You did a great job and you know what? You’ve answered a question that’s been about 20 years old. Now I know why none of the players came over to talk to me. I got it.

Charlie Rymer (02:45):

I remember that golf course at Boca. We’re like in about seventh place and you’d hit it 12 feet all day long and you hadn’t gotten but one of them to the hole, hadn’t come close to making a bogey and it was a par three.

Charlie Rymer (02:56):

You remember the iguanas they had hanging all over that golf course down there?

Billy Kratzert (03:00):

They were massive.

Charlie Rymer (03:01):

Yeah. They looked more like crocodiles and I can’t remember the name of the golf course, was a really good golf course there, on Boca and it was the Royal Caribbean.

Charlie Rymer (03:10):

And about the 14th hole was a par three, tiny little green, the wind was howling and you hit this four iron in there, flags back left, and you held it up against the wind.

Charlie Rymer (03:18):

You hit about 12 feet and I’m looking at the leaderboard and I’m thinking, “A couple more birdies, I don’t think winning’s going to happen but slide in the top five.”

Charlie Rymer (03:26):

And you looked at that putt and you said, “A little downhill.” I said, “Yeah.” You said, “A little down grain?” I said, “Yeah.” And you said, “Little down wind?” I said, “Yeah.” You said, “It’s going to be fast in.” And I said, “Oh no, that’s not going to be a fast putt, it’s going to be deceptively slow.” You left it in the jaws about 10 inches short.

Billy Kratzert (03:52):

Well, naturally. I wanted to make sure I had that little tap in.

Charlie Rymer (03:56):

Yeah, you had it. But we had a lot of fun and hopefully we’ll have a lot of fun on this show now that I have the record button pushed, I’m really sorry.

Charlie Rymer (04:05):

But so you know what we’re going to do. I’ve already talked about it while I wasn’t recording, but our viewers haven’t. I’m hoping to review the big golf that we’ve seen this year.

Charlie Rymer (04:15):

A couple of hot topics in there as well and then preview the great golf that we have left this season in this calendar year. So let’s get started with the Masters, your thoughts on the Matsuyama win at Augusta back in April?

Billy Kratzert (04:35):

I think that’s probably as big a win as we may ever see. A Japanese player, it had never come close. Isao Aoki, Jumbo Ozaki, there have been Japanese players that have certainly put themselves in a position to win, but Matsuyama’s the one that crossed the line and won the golf tournament.

Billy Kratzert (05:07):

And I think back and the first visual I get is his caddy with the flag stick and then the bow back down the 18th fairway at the completion of play. But the immense pressure that Matsuyama was under, even though he was in the lead, he was playing well, he was striking the ball well, he was making the putts necessary to maintain the lead. There was always that feeling that something could or might go awry.

Billy Kratzert (05:41):

And I was doing the streaming for feature group with CBS alongside Shane Bacon and we were just looking at each other the whole time. And we could actually feel the pressure, Charlie, coming out through the screen.

Billy Kratzert (05:57):

And when you feel that, not only does the player know the importance and the magnitude of it, but when other people that are doing the tournament, watching the tournament or feeling a little bit of that as well, it’s hard to describe.

Billy Kratzert (06:20):

And I was just so happy for him because he is one of the hardest workers out there and to win world golf championships, to win other tournaments, it was just a great accomplishment for him. It was great for golf. It was a great way to start off the Major Championship season. It created a lot of buzz.

Billy Kratzert (06:46):

And when you think back and the Masters had their tournament for 2020 in November with Dustin Johnson winning, and then you go to April in 2021 to have the Masters tournament five months apart, is just such a huge accomplishment on the part of Augusta National Golf Club. You have two great champions and I’m just so happy for Hideki because that was big for the world of golf.

Charlie Rymer (07:15):

And as you said, he created that buzz, kept it going as we entered May and the PGA Championship and Kiawah and the favorite to win the week, Phil Mickelson, he really came through.

Billy Kratzert (07:31):

Yeah, favorite.

Charlie Rymer (07:32):

He’d played horrible golf coming in and Phil does what Phil does and I know you’ve got a great friendship with Phil. That that week you’re supposed to be impartial, but you probably, and I know you act like a big mean tough guy, I know you’re not, but that had to be an emotional week for you watching Phil Mickelson become the oldest player to ever win a Major championship. Tell me your thoughts on Phil’s win at Kiawah?

Billy Kratzert (08:00):

It was Charlie. When he got off to the start the first day, and he was not good, then he was great, brings it back. And then it continued. And then the question each day, can Phil do it again? Can Phil do it again? Can Phil do it again?

Billy Kratzert (08:23):

Then you get to the final round and people would come up and say, “Hey, what do you think Phil’s going to do?” I said, “Here’s my only thing with Phil, I know him. And he is one bad swing and one bad decision away from not having a chance. If he just stays in the moment and he can keep his focus I think he’s going to be there in the end. Don’t know if he’ll win, but I think he’s going to be there at the end.”

Billy Kratzert (09:00):

And then Charlie, I couldn’t have been more proud of him with the tee shots that he was hitting, coming down the stretch, the iron shot that he hit on the par three, he may have gotten a little hosed with the bounce. But again all of a sudden the tactician took over as opposed to the guy that just goes at every flag.

Billy Kratzert (09:32):

He knew that this was going to be his chance. Is it going to be his last chance? I don’t know. Phil doesn’t know. That’s just the beauty of Phil Mickelson, is that he can do it and he still has that length.

Billy Kratzert (09:47):

But I was more impressed with the way that he was managing himself, making sure he hit the proper shot, it’s like the tee shot at 18 or are you going to miss it? If you’re going to miss it, hit it up there in the grand stands over there and then play from there.

Billy Kratzert (10:03):

But the iron shot he hit on the 72nd hole to hit it flag high 18, 20 feet right of the hall. Then the deal was sealed. It was over from there.

Charlie Rymer (10:14):

Well, I tell you, it was an incredible Sunday. No doubt about that. It’ll go down as one of the best Sundays in my mind, in the history of golf long with Jack Nicklaus in ’86 at Augusta, Tiger in 2000 Augusta, Tiger with his last Masters victory, Phil Mickelson at Kiawah, it was historic. No doubt about that.

Charlie Rymer (10:32):

And really happy for Phil and I still have no idea where all that distance still comes from at age 51. As I recall some of the drives he was hitting ended up being the longest drive of the week on any given hole. At his age that’s truly amazing.

Charlie Rymer (10:50):

And Billy, I want to let you know that actually do have the record button on now, so I know you’re a little worried about that. I am actually capturing this.

Charlie Rymer (11:04):

Let’s touch on the US Open. We saw Jon Rahm on Saturday at Memorial with the lead get told right there on the green in front of Jack Nicholas and the whole world that he’s COVID positive and really barely even getting a practice round at Torrey Pines golf course, that’s been very good to him. Obviously the big finish there to win the US Open. Your thoughts on the US Open and Jon Rahm’s win?

Billy Kratzert (11:33):

Not many could overcome what happened to Rahm. Can you imagine a six shot lead going into Sunday, the way that you’re playing, the way that you’re driving it, iron play, putting, and this is nothing taking away from Cantlay or any of the other players.

Billy Kratzert (11:56):

But I think Rory said it best is, after Rahm won the US Open, Rory said, “In my mind, Jon Rahm has won the last two tournaments.”

Charlie Rymer (12:07):

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Billy Kratzert (12:09):

The strength of the mind to go along with the physical Jon Rahm, you put that combination together that’s what won him the US Open.

Billy Kratzert (12:24):

The determination, being able to overcome that successfully. A lot of times, Charlie, that lingers with a player. It’s poor me, poor me, poor me, poor me. Well, Jon Rahm, he did just the reverse.

Billy Kratzert (12:41):

He said, “Okay, I’ve got it. I thought that I was immune to it.” Then he went and got the shot for COVID, was vaccinated. As you said, he got the practice round in. It was a golf course that he is certainly comfortable on. It’s one that he’s won on and one that he just loves the feeling when he gets there, he loves it because it feels like home to him.

Billy Kratzert (13:11):

The Marine Layer, the coolness and the type of grass and to just go ahead and get out there and get after it right away and he struggled. He was over parred, then he brought it back.

Billy Kratzert (13:29):

But when it was all said and done, you go to the 71st hole, the 72nd hole, those are probably two of the most Tiger-esque putts you’ll see from a current day player.

Charlie Rymer (13:45):

Well, it was definitely impressive. No doubt about that. And talk about impressive play Collin Morikawa at the, I still call it the British Open. Nobody yells at me about saying that anymore. I’m sure you probably have to call it The Open, but it always has been, always will be British Open for me.

Charlie Rymer (14:05):

But Morikawa won the PGA at San Francisco, no one was out there. Right in the middle of probably the worst part of COVID, hopefully the worst part of COVID and the criticism was, “Yeah, but nobody was there. It didn’t feel like a Major championship.” That’s, that’s a conversation for another day. I think I Major is a Major.

Charlie Rymer (14:27):

But what he did at St. George’s with crowds, with the wind, all the things that happen on an open venue, all questions or any criticism by rights he’s now a two time Major Champion and what an unbelievable performance by Morikawa and just going to be interesting for me to see where he goes from here. Your thoughts on that win?

Billy Kratzert (15:02):

Well, I think he was pushed hard. Certainly Oosthuizen an the guys that finished 11 under par. You look at Lowry, you have that empty feeling for Louis because he’s played so well in the Majors this year with the runner-ups and the third place finishes.

Billy Kratzert (15:24):

And you hope that he gets that second Major, but it was Collin Morikawa. He went out there and it was the ball striking that won the golf tournament.

Billy Kratzert (15:36):

Sure, he made some putts and he capped off some great shots, but you’re being pushed by Jordan Spieth and Jordan Spieth he’s that player that when he gets the energy and he gets the feeling going, he can just clock off birdie after birdie and he can push the envelope and he can make things happen. And Collin Morikawa never flinched.

Billy Kratzert (15:57):

And I think that’s the beauty of it is that he and JJ have this great rapport. The conversations between player and caddy. There was a calmness in their conversation that you could hear, but Collin Morikawa, he’s probably the best iron player in this modern day player.

Charlie Rymer (16:24):

Better than Matsuyama?

Billy Kratzert (16:27):

I think so. When I look at it I think Colin is just so solid. He plays the correct shot. Both are good, but when you look at all the stats, Collin Morikawa is going to be that guy. and I say that he’s the best in this era. I still think Tiger Woods is the best iron player I’ve ever seen.

Charlie Rymer (16:53):

Yeah.

Billy Kratzert (16:54):

So, but Colin Morikawa he’s got sustainability because the rhythm in the golf swing, he can push it through the air when necessary, but he’s always going to be able to rely on that iron game.

Billy Kratzert (17:14):

And now that he made the switch to the claw, I think that’s another positive for Collin Morikawa is that he’s not afraid to go ahead and try something, a better method to get him to where, “Okay, I’m going to make a few more putts. I look at my stats and I know that I’m past or down from the middle, with my putting. I need to improve if I want to be in contention with regularity. I want to be relevant in every tournament that I play.”

Billy Kratzert (17:48):

So he makes the change. Goes to the claw, made a lot of important putts. And we saw it down in Sarasota at Concession when he won the WGC down there. He’s just so solid, Charlie.

Billy Kratzert (18:02):

And I think that he’s got the two Major, he has as many Majors as Dustin Johnson. He’s got more than Louis Oosthuizen, he’s one behind Jordan Spieth, he’s one ahead of JT.

Billy Kratzert (18:21):

You start comparing him for guys that have been on tour six plus years. This kid is remarkable.

Charlie Rymer (18:29):

Well, speaking of remarkable, and in my mind, I see some similarities between our Olympic gold champions Xander Schauffele and Collin Morikawa. And that it’s a common sense approach to golf. They’re big in big moments. They got the basics covered.

Charlie Rymer (18:47):

The only difference, obviously now Morikawa with the two Majors, Xander Schauffele close in Majors, got a lot of dollars in his account, which he says he doesn’t play for dollars, but Billy you and I both know the guys with a whole bunch of it have the luxury of saying that.

Charlie Rymer (19:05):

But I see some similarities between Xander and Morikawa, your thoughts on Xander’s gold medal victory this past weekend and just outside of Tokyo?

Billy Kratzert (19:15):

Well, I think everyone was happy for Schauffele winning the gold medal. He’s come close in a lot of Major championships. He’s played well. It’s been a little bit of a drought between wins.

Billy Kratzert (19:36):

Sometimes the driver gets a little off for Xander, but he’s just so solid and it’s a little perplexing as to why he hasn’t won a little bit more.

Billy Kratzert (19:52):

But that just shows you how difficult it is to win in professional golf especially on the PGA TOUR. But as you said if you want to create money velocity Xander’s your guy and you can make a lot of money. Along with Morikawa and the guys.

Billy Kratzert (20:11):

But you watch him play, he’s a guy that I could watch play. Morikawa’s a guy I could watch play. That are very, very much in the moment, the whole time.

Billy Kratzert (20:23):

And then you can watch a Jordan Spieth and you can watch it a JT. They’re very animated, but the way that they play, I could also watch them. Golf in an interesting spot right now. And you’ve got players that from top to bottom are solid through the bag.

Billy Kratzert (20:44):

And when you put a Schauffele and a Morikawa, when you started talking about those two guys, what comes to me is that quiet confidence. They’re never going to go ahead and just put it out there and you know that they’re confident, but they just have that quiet, confident walk, purposeful, determined.

Billy Kratzert (21:10):

You can see it, but they’ll never let you know that they’re feeling that way. But you can feel it if you just watch them.

Charlie Rymer (21:17):

Yeah. No doubt. That’s a great long-term strategy and a ton of talent in both of those players. Appreciate your thoughts on the Major championships and the Olympics.

Charlie Rymer (21:27):

I had a couple of other subjects, I’m going to skip on this COVID-19 thing, it’s been heroic what the PGA TOUR and all the organizations have been able to do to conduct golf this season, which I think is important because we’ve all needed a distraction over the last year and a half and I’m tired of talking about COVID.

Charlie Rymer (21:47):

As you know it about put me in the grave and we’re starting to see this Delta variant rise. I’m just tired of talking about it.

Charlie Rymer (21:56):

Let’s get it somehow, some way in the rear view mirror. I think we all know the answer to how to do that but let’s just let that one lay and hopefully it burns right over and we can get it in the rear view mirror.

Charlie Rymer (22:08):

I do want to get to a fun subject with you, Billy. And one of the things has been a lot of fun for me in my career, you’re a little bit older than me, not a whole lot, but a little bit older than me, but when you were playing your best golf there were still a lot of them really old school guys around when the game was different. The locker room was different.

Charlie Rymer (22:34):

There was some arguments occasionally, some fights in the parking lot, everything wasn’t smooth all the time, like what it seems to be this day and age where everybody seems like they’re their best buddies, which I don’t have a problem with, but it’s nice when we get some spice.

Charlie Rymer (22:48):

And boy did we get some spice this year and still ongoing between Brooks Koepka and Bryson DeChambeau. Your take on this rivalry that we’re seeing bud between these two mostly over social media?

Billy Kratzert (23:07):

I tell you, I’ve enjoyed the back and forth. I love the one-liner where it’s nice having free rent inside your head and the little chatter there and the little chatter there.

Billy Kratzert (23:26):

And then when Bryson misstepped at The Open Championship and talked about his driver, and then Brooks came back when he was interviewed and he made the statement, “Well, I’m driving it well and by the way, I love my driver.” And it just continued on from there.

Billy Kratzert (23:46):

If it stays like that, and it stays light, I’m very much okay with it, Charlie. I think it’s fun. As long as it doesn’t get into where it becomes a personal attack. If you just let it just lay on the surface, just throw one little thing out there and one guy may react this way. One guy may react that way.

Billy Kratzert (24:16):

At the PGA Championship, Bryson went by and he waved on the next interview. And I think if you just keep it light and you understand, it’s been enjoyable to watch on social media. Now in real life, it’s probably a little bit different. The locker room I’m sure is different, but they’re competitors, what are they trying to do? They’re trying to win golf tournaments. They’re trying to be the best in the world.

Billy Kratzert (24:49):

And if this is a way that Bryson needs to do it then that’s the way he needs to do it. If Brooks needs to do it this way, then Brooks needs to do it. Whatever they need to do in order to rev themselves up and get ready and play to the best of their ability. They need to do that.

Billy Kratzert (25:05):

It’s like I said, when we were talking earlier, there has to be a selfishness amongst the players if you want to be at the top of your game. Sure, you can be that great person, that guy or that woman on the LPGA, that you know is fun to be around and chat with all this stuff.

Billy Kratzert (25:32):

But once you get inside the ropes, you have to become that person that the only person that’s important in here is the guy, the person on the bag, and me. We need to be number one today. And I just like the DeChambeau, Koepka, I liked that. It’s fun as long as they keep it light.

Charlie Rymer (25:56):

Well, the thing that scares me about it, and I agree with everything that you’ve said there, and I hope that fans enjoy it.

Charlie Rymer (26:03):

But thing that scares me is if the fans feel like they’re a part of this feud and start trying to participate in it, then it could get a little out of hand and very quickly I think.

Billy Kratzert (26:14):

Yeah, I would agree. Absolutely. I don’t care who it is, what team, what individual, what sport, whatever, if you have spectators and you have people watching there are going to be sides that are chosen and who is on one side or the other that should not make a difference.

Billy Kratzert (26:44):

And I just wish everyone would enjoy it. You hit it right on the head, Charlie. Just don’t get involved. Let these guys provide the entertainment and move on.

Charlie Rymer (26:56):

Enjoy the show. And that’s what I’ve done.

Billy Kratzert (26:58):

Exactly.

Charlie Rymer (26:58):

Yeah. And that’s what I’ve done up to this point, Billy. Really enjoyed your take and looking at all this great golf that we’ve had so far this year.

Charlie Rymer (27:07):

And again, I do have the record button on which doesn’t always happen with me, but let’s spin it for the last part of the show. Let’s spin it forward and looking forward this week, we’ve got the WGC event down in Memphis. Obviously the WGC’s have strong fields, big money, longer exemption, so the guys are happy to put up with a heat, literally down there. I always used to just about died Memphis this time of year. As you know I don’t do well in the heat but if there had been the money they’re playing for now, I think I’d probably put up with a little bit better.

Charlie Rymer (27:40):

But this week, the end of this year wraps at Greensboro, guys are fighting for the spots to stay in the top 125, because they all want to not only get exempt, but move to the playoffs. So we’ve got the playoffs. We’ve got the Ryder Cup sitting out there. What’s a top storyline you’re looking at as the season winds down on the PGA TOUR?

Billy Kratzert (28:05):

Well, I think I’m looking forward to the Ryder Cup, Charlie. I really am. Obviously with COVID being set back a year, Whistling Straits, the preparation, Harrington, Stricker, everything that they’ve put into it, along with their vice captains. I’m really looking forward to that.

Billy Kratzert (28:26):

Then my second one is getting to the Tour Championship because quite frankly $15 million is just a massive amount of money and it’s a year’s work. It’s the body of work for a year. But in this case, it’s the super year because it’s 50 tournaments that had been all inclusive and so there’s going to be guys that miss that haven’t missed in quite some time, but I’m looking forward to that, to the Tour Championship.

Billy Kratzert (29:10):

But I can tell you in a couple of weeks at Wyndham, there’s going to be some tight players down there.

Charlie Rymer (29:17):

You got that right.

Billy Kratzert (29:18):

Because there’s going to be some players on the ads that have not been there before and they’re going to be clenched when they get to that first tee, knowing that they’ve got to earn X amount of points in order to maintain a job for next year.

Billy Kratzert (29:34):

Now, that’s skewed a little bit because if they’re a veteran they’ve got access through either the money earned, Top 50 money list, 126 to 150, they can go to the Korn Ferry Finals, there’s a lot of avenues there.

Billy Kratzert (29:53):

But if you can get business taken care of right away and slide into the top 125, if you’re sitting outside the 125 and you jump into the 125, if you play well at Wyndham, you can carry that forward and then all of a sudden you can get to the second leg of the playoffs. And then who knows what happens from there?

Billy Kratzert (30:13):

So, yeah, to finish off this season, 2021, there’s guys that are going to need the boat race it at Wyndham. And then when you get to Atlanta, if you get a chance to win the big prize, there’s going to be some tightness, but I’m looking most forward to the Ryder Cup.

Charlie Rymer (30:37):

Yeah. I’m with you on that. To put that $15 million in perspective for the playoffs and this one still blows my mind, Jack Nicklaus, Gary Player, Arnold Palmer, combined earnings on the PGA TOUR, right at $10 million.

Charlie Rymer (30:54):

And that first prize, the playoffs 15 million, and I know the money was different when you were playing your best golf, but it’s extraordinary the money that the PGA TOUR allows these players to play for these days.

Billy Kratzert (31:12):

It is. It’s a staggering amount and it’s going to continue to grow. And when you look at the sponsorship, everything is flush. There’s going to be a little reorganization of the tournament schedule next year.

Billy Kratzert (31:30):

There’s a partnership with the PGA TOUR and the European Tour that starts next year between three tournaments, the Scottish Open, Barbasol and the Stableford out in Reno.

Charlie Rymer (31:49):

Barracuda?

Billy Kratzert (31:50):

Barracuda, so they’re going to be able to go ahead and points earned go for both. They go the Race to Dubai, and then certainly the Tour Championship. There’s a lot of stuff going on and the tour has done a great job creating these opportunities for these players.

Billy Kratzert (32:12):

And with that said, it’s a lot of money, but these guys have to go out and perform to get it.

Charlie Rymer (32:21):

No free lunch. A lot of people look at these events like the WGC this week and say, “Oh, there’s no cut. That’s not right.”

Charlie Rymer (32:29):

Well, you’ve had to play a ton of golf to get invited to play in the no cut event and for every question that ever comes up in someone’s professional career, there’s one answer, play better. There’s no way around that.

Billy Kratzert (32:47):

Yeah. My father always told me, he said, “If you go out there and the numbers that you put down in those 18 squares are lower than anyone else I can’t keep you out.”

Charlie Rymer (33:02):

Yeah. That’s wisdom from your late dad who I always enjoyed being around and we’re just going to go ahead and wrap the show up on that.

Charlie Rymer (33:10):

And Billy as always appreciate your time. Appreciate your great thoughts. More than anything appreciate your friendship. Thanks for joining us today on the Charlie Rymer Balls in the Air Podcast.

Billy Kratzert (33:21):

Thanks Chaz.

Charlie Rymer (33:22):

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