Boston Red Sox postseason hero and World Series champion Kevin Millar joins Charlie Rymer on “Balls in the Air” for a wide-ranging discussion including his favorite memories of his time in Beantown, what he’s up to now with MLB Network’s “Intentional Talk,” and his golfing experiences on the celebrity pro-am circuit. Enjoy the episode!
Charlie Rymer (00:10):
Hi and welcome into the Charlie Rymer Golf Show. I’m your friendly host, Charlie Rymer. It’s my show so I can talk about what I want to talk about to who I want to talk about that stuff with. You can call it stuff, some people call it other things.
But today I’ve got one of my favorites. A man I got a chance to meet, spend a little time with out in Lake Tahoe, Kevin Millar. Kevin, 10 plus years in the big leagues, 270 home runs. He was a member of the 2004 World Series Champion Boston Red Sox. Of course, that was the first title for Boston, going back to 1918. Broke the Curse of the Bambino. He’s now with MLB Network. He’s co-hosted their longest running show for over 10 years, Intentional Talk. Kevin, thank you so much for joining us on the show.
Kevin Millar (00:59):
Hey, this is big time stuff. I love talking golf too, so it’s nice to kind of get me a golf guy. Yeah, you can help me out.
Charlie Rymer (01:06):
Well, let’s start right there. The most important question, how’s your golf game right now?
Kevin Millar (01:14):
And the most important answer, how do you get the ball in the hole? I mean, I can put you in good spots. We talk about putting, right? It’s constantly putting, putting, putting. If you went in my garage I got 62 putters.
Charlie Rymer (01:27):
Yeah you do.
Kevin Millar (01:27):
It’s like Smith Academy. And you got different grips. So what’s that scream? It screams struggle bunny. Golf games, okay. I don’t know why, but I don’t understand the putting aspect of it.
Charlie Rymer (01:40):
Well, nobody does. So don’t feel like the lone ranger.
Kevin Millar (01:44):
Charlie Rymer (01:47):
So you turned 50 last year. I’m 54. When I turned 50, I went out and played some events on PGA Tour Champions. I thought I could go 20 years and work every day and then pick up a club, practice for six months and go compete. I found out real quick that wasn’t the case. But you got away from baseball for seven years, and some crazy promotion, went to a Double A team for one night and hadn’t seen live pitching in seven years and what did you do?
Kevin Millar (02:16):
But Charlie, what happened was I was un-drafted as a player, so I never was drafted. You had five years to be drafted; that’s your senior year in a high school, two years in junior college and two years in the university. I went to Lamar University. So I signed to the Northern League. So Northern League was an independent baseball team owned by Bill Murray, Michael Vick, Marv Goldklang. And so, fun guys. Independently owned; you’re making 600 bucks a month in 1993. So I started my career there and signed with the Florida Marlins out of that independently.
Well, fast forward I go through the whole career, get to the big leagues, go, fight, win, and then they’re having a bobblehead with Bill Murray and myself. So they called me, said, Hey Kevin, we’re having a bobblehead that night. Can you show up? And I said, Yeah. But I was joking but kind of serious, but kind of joking. I said, If I can get in it back. And they’re like, Oh yeah, let us call the league. Well they called me back, Charlie, about two weeks ago, said, We got you confirmed. Well, I’m 45 years old this time, my last year when I was 38 years old. So I haven’t seen live pitching in seven years.
I texted Bill Murray, I said, Hey, I’m going to St. Paul. You better be there for this bobblehead night or I’m not going. He said, Hey, I’m trying to, but it was his sister’s birthday so he couldn’t go. I show up in Minnesota, they have this beautiful stadium, there’s 10,000 people, it’s sold out and here I am. I look like Brett Farve, I look like Santa Claus; the gray beard. And I’m talking to the kids and I was in your spot and you guys do this and believe it and blah, blah blah. Well I’m going to get one at bat. I was going to Tahoe a couple weeks from there, so I didn’t want to pull the oblique. That’s the new muscle now; to pull the old fat, the oblique, my crispy cream donut here. So I’m like, Let’s just take it easy.
Hey, this is a true story. I look at the guys at dugout, I’m like, Do I swing at the first pitch? Do I take a pitch? We were facing a left-hander. I take the first pitch, it was like a slider down. So the counts one and oh. And all of a sudden it locks in. Like you said, you’re 50 years old, you’re trying, but all of a sudden you’re like, Yeah, you’re competitive. So I see him shake and I see him shake and I’m like, This son of a gun’s trying to throw the fast ball. Immediately you go into your mode; and I hit it, and the ball went out. And when I hit it, it was like I couldn’t do this when I was in shape, let alone a dad. And I’m rounding these bases and I hit a home run and I’m like, What the hell just happened? I think I just blacked out. And then Bill Murray texted me that night. He’s like, Is this true? Because I didn’t even know if they had pictures of what was on ESPN and the whole shebang, and it was awesome.
Charlie Rymer (05:01):
The most impressive thing about that whole story is that you texted with Bill Murray.
Kevin Millar (05:07):
Bill, you only get one text per year, if not three years. Because he still has that old Blackberry flip phone, whatever it is.
Charlie Rymer (05:16):
Well you mentioned that you were going to Tahoe. That’s where you and I got a chance to spend some time together. I know you like playing the celebrity golf tournaments. I’ve had a chance to host the Ace Shootout over in Hawaii every year. The great event that benefits Children’s Miracle Network hospitals. Wonderful people. I know you’ve had a chance to play in it. I’m headed back next year to host the show. I’m hoping to see you out there playing again, because me and you in Hawaii for a week together going to have a lot of fun. But big picture, that event. Other celebrity golf events; how much fun is that for you? Especially now that you’re 50 years old?
Kevin Millar (05:47):
It’s everything you live for, honestly, God. I mean the Lake Tahoe event, starting off with that one, is seriously our Augusta. It’s our masters. It’s everything you want to be. One, the celebrity list is ridiculous. My first few years you had Michael Jordan, you had Bo Jackson. I mean you look now, you got Steph Curry, you got Justin Timberlake, the Aaron Rogers, the Tony Ramos. I’m like at the 89th list out of the 90s. Maybe 90th. So I’m holding on for dear life and I’m like, Man, I hope this show doesn’t get canceled. Because I wasn’t a good enough player to only be here on my player’s accolades. But the point being is that it is truly a wonderful feeling, because you prepare for this. We all go in there thinking our game is tight. We all go in there saying, Hey, how you feeling? Oh I feel great. I shot 75 yesterday, I shot 78.
And those are good scores for us, Charlie. You’re looking at me going, uh-uh 75. No, but that’s what we come in talking smack about going, Yeah, I feel good. And then that first hole happens and then they say, And next up on the tee box we got da-da-da-da, and your hands start sweating, your palms; and you’re not sure if this ball’s going to go left, right, dribble straight down the middle. Your first putt, you’re trying not to two putt or three putt. So you end up three putting and I’m like, Why does that happen every single year? And we all talk about the same thing. Earl Lacker, Tim Brown, it doesn’t matter. It is just that feeling that gets your juices flowing.
Charlie Rymer (07:16):
It’s different too when the TV cameras are there, especially when they’re live like they are at Tahoe and some of the other events.
Kevin Millar (07:23):
Yeah. You know what it is? You’re out of your element. You could sit me in Yankee Stadium with Roger Clemens on the mound and 67,000 people; that’s in my element. So when you go out of your element, it’d be like me putting you in the batter’s box. You’d be like, Holy cow Kevin, it looks like a flying bullet going by. Randy Johnson just threw a hundred mile an hour fastball. You’re like, Oh. But, put you on a golf course making a nine-footer left to right on the left edge. You’re like, Yeah, let’s just hit that left edge. Just putt down your line. And I’m over here going, Charlie, no, I just pulled it, nine balls left. Or I peaked and now it’s going off to the right. I think we have good shots in us, but we’re not a hundred percent sure if it’s going to be good or bad.
Charlie Rymer (08:05):
Well, I sure enjoy getting you guys out there. It’s the only environment I’m going to make fun of you and I can assure you it’s always a lot of fun being announcer on those events.
Let’s switch gears and talk some baseball. I was at Braves game yesterday. It went to extra innings. It’s the first time I’ve seen it in person with the runner starting a second. I’m seeing catchers now calling pitches on electronic devices. I’m hearing that there’s big rules, changes coming in baseball. I still can’t get used to looking out there and seeing that big shift. I understand that’s going away. Talk to me about some of these changes we’re going to see in MLB moving forward, and your opinion on what’s going on in the game.
Kevin Millar (08:47):
Yeah, it’s interesting because I just did my first three games this weekend with Nessen, and the Red Sox were in town with the Rangers. And to play your whole life, you don’t realize all eyes are on you. When you’re a fan you’re able to see everything. The details of baseball; the shift will start there. Crazy. Like Ralphie Devers, who’s the third baseman for the Boston Red Sox, who is an absolute star in this game, if not top seven players out there; to see him go from third base to basically a shortstop position. Trevor’s story goes from second base to a right field position. He made a play yesterday on a backhand play basically in center field, and turns around and throws the ball.
Now that’s the difference these days, is the shift is just a dynamic shift. They used to shade you. I was a pull hitter. Joe Madden would shade the left fielder over knowing that Millar has no power to the right field. He’s going to be a pull hitter and 80% of his ground balls are on the ground to the left side. I understand that. But you shaded the guy. Now they just take the right fielder, they bring him over to left center. It’s like a softball positioning, and I don’t know if I like it. I really don’t know if I like it. I know that we have so much information all on sports, they know exactly what you’re hitting at 4:30 PM on turf with cloudy skies. It’s almost like it’s a robot type game.
Charlie Rymer (10:15):
Kevin Millar (10:15):
And now I understand why players, they try to hit home runs. Because you can’t hit the ball on the ground. I mean, Alex Verdugo hit a line drive base up the middle. Nope. There was a guy standing right behind second base. Now it was a great swing, you felt great. It’d be like you hitting a great drive down the middle 300 yards, and it goes in that divot that’s in the lip and it sits up, and now you’re penalized for a beautiful drive.
Charlie Rymer (10:41):
It’s Tiger-proofed all these courses because he changed the game. They put bunkers where he was hitting it. And it has to be that same sort of feeling.
Kevin Millar (10:48):
Yes. And really, I don’t know if it’s great, I don’t know. But I know one thing, looking at the shifts from an eye in the sky was pretty interesting. S.J. Garcia hits a home run right center field. He literally walked nine steps before he even started moving. He’s walking, it’s sixth inning now, regular season game. And he’s pointing to the dug out. Beautiful moment for him and his teammates. But I’m like, if Pedro Martinez was pitching or Roger Clemens was pitching or Randy, you are absolutely drilled in the neck, your next a bat.
That was just the way the game was. There’s a consequence for your reaction, end of story. You could do a back flip if you want, but you’re probably going to get 95 right here. So you didn’t do a back flip. Now, I think the entertainment value, it’s pretty cool. I’ve had to adjust, going from an old school dude to all right, I understand it. This is the society we’re in. We’re a little softer. Now I always say softer than hummus. And we can’t yell at Henry the football, you can’t grab a face mask or you’re going to get a call from the mom and an email from the principal. So things have changed. There’s that constructive criticism that’s gone. Now you got to kind of pat him on the back. But the game has changed. It’s in a good spot. It’s different.
Charlie Rymer (12:11):
Yeah, yeah. We’re a couple old guys in their fifties talking about, well back when we used to play.
Kevin Millar (12:15):
Right Nicholas [inaudible 00:12:20]
Charlie Rymer (12:21):
Right. All I know is chicks dig the long ball.
Kevin Millar (12:25):
Charlie Rymer (12:26):
We got to have all our sports.
And talking about slowing the driver down, the golf ball down. You can’t hit it as far. That’s why I’m like, What? That’s why people show up for.
Kevin Millar (12:34):
Charlie Rymer (12:35):
Trying to slow it. Anyway, it’ll be interesting to see how they evolve and as you and I get older, we’ll probably just get grumpier and fatter too.
Kevin Millar (12:41):
That’s right. Get off our lawn.
Charlie Rymer (12:45):
Hey, growing up and you grew up in LA, who was a baseball player that was your hero? My golf hero was Jack Nicholas. But who was your hero in baseball?
Kevin Millar (12:55):
So I’ll give you two. My uncle Wayne Nordhagen, he played in ’77 to about ’83 with the White Sox back when Tony La Russa managed the White Sox, when they had those collared shirts and the shorts. They used to wear shorts as their unis. I was a 11 year old, 12 year old, 13 year old kid. But uncle Wayne was in the big leagues. That’s all I wanted to do. I looked up to uncle Wayne, who was my dad’s sister’s husband. They’re still married today. He’s still living today. He’s a great, awesome dude. So he was my idol. I looked up to him. I was a Dodger fan now. So Garvey, Lopes, Ron Faye, Dusty Baker, Reggie Smith.
Then it was more of a Pedro Guerrero. He gave me a wristband when I was in high school, and it was like this long and it said, Say no to drugs. Eventually he got in trouble for drugs down the road; it was ironic I wore that wristband, it had his picture. And it was like I had these skinny little arms from my forearm to my wrist. I wore it every day. And I tried to hit like him. He had this waggle. But that’s who I really loved. That was right in my sweet spot in high school, was Pedro Guerrero.
Charlie Rymer (14:08):
I love hearing old baseball stories. And I’ll tell you what I love so much about baseball that doesn’t happen in golf. Before Tim Finchem retired as PGA tour commissioner, had this conversation with him. It used to be in golf that the great players became the great teachers and they mentored the players that came along. Not only with their golf swings, but the unwritten rules that don’t seem to be around as much anymore. In baseball, you guys don’t have that because the former players, a lot of times they’ll end up being coaches, they’ll end up being managers, or the very least they show up during spring training. We don’t have any time in golf where the legends get a chance to spend time with the rookies. And I love that you guys do that in baseball.
Kevin Millar (14:50):
Yeah. It’s funny. Golf and golfers always had a label of not being very friendly. Because really you guys personally, back then, you didn’t talk to anybody. You had your swing coach and the golf; you swing coach in golf and you’d putt for three hours, you hit nine hours throughout. There’s no boys club, I call it; joking around. Hey sweet shirt, Charlie. Hey, nice fake teeth, Kevin. And that’s what baseball has, is that clubhouse camaraderie. Like Andy Roddick, he and I are friends and he lived in Austin and now he’s in Carolina. But my point being is he’s like, You guys were lucky because you had that clubhouse feel. You had constant clubhouse feel where he goes, Here I am stretching in the same locker room with Nadal who I’m getting ready to get my butt kicked from. We don’t speak, you only have your swing coach. He traveled with his coach as a 15 year old kid in Europe.
But personality wise, they’re a little bit introverted and it’s kind of like this, Oh hi, hi, hi, hi. Now you’ve had Ricky Fowler stepped in, he is got the Puma flat bill. And you got Justin Thomas, he’s got a personality. And you got guys kind of ragging on each other. It makes it fun. It makes it fun. And Tiger actually speaking to people. The funniest thing ever was when Rahm had those comments. He’s like, He didn’t say nothing to me. I guess he doesn’t like me. But he goes, Justin Thomas, he’s laughing. And Freddy Couples and Justin Thomas is about the only two guys Tiger likes. And Ram said, I asked him, Can you give me one tip? He said, just focus on the ball. Then he walked away.
Charlie Rymer (16:20):
Tiger’s got pretty thick needle and he likes sticking it in those guys for sure. I love to hear those stories. And then those stories that I hear that I can’t repeat are the ones that really are a whole lot of fun.
You made the switch over 10 years ago now from being an athlete to being on television, having a show. Isn’t it amazing how much training they do not give you when you make that switch? It’s like sink or swim. And I think the suits like it better when an athlete sink rather than swim, when they give them a shot at getting into television. But it’s like all of a sudden you’re in front of a TV and nobody’s told you a damn thing about anything.
Kevin Millar (17:07):
Isn’t that the truth? I always said, Why don’t they send us to school for two weeks? I didn’t even know what a talk back button was. I didn’t even know how to put a earpiece in, let alone tie a tie. And it was a suit and tie show. The first show I did I’d have Harold Reynolds help me. I’m like, How do you even hold this tie?
The bottom line is this, from day one I said I’m going to make mistakes. I’m not the smartest guy in the world. I don’t know a whole lot. I don’t know how to say names. I’m going to be me. When they asked me to come on the show, they’re not asking you to be this stale, typical TV guy looking left, looking right. I didn’t even know what camera I was looking in. And then it became organic. It’d be like, Oh that’s Millar. Oh that’s Charlie. So I’m still me. I still don’t know how to tie a tie. I’m still not smart. I still don’t know guy’s names. I tank my questions. My pits. Start sweating when I have an interview.
Charlie Rymer (17:59):
I can relate to that. I might have some going right now.
Kevin Millar (18:03):
Yeah. But you know what I’m saying, like we’re smuggling water balloons. I still get nervous. I don’t know how to ask questions because we’ve always been interviewed, right? This is easy. Charlie’s got to ask all the questions. You’ve got to look at Wikipedia and figure out who the hell Millar is and what the hell’s going on. Half the time I don’t even know who the hell I have on. I’m like, who is it? Wait.
But it’s part of being who we are and who I am. I was like, I’m not going to change. And we’ve had fun with it. I bring a clubhouse type feel to television. I want to know who’s the cheapest. I want to know who has the worst shower body. I want to know who has the worst car in the parking lot. Because everybody’s got to have a nice car, you’re making millions of dollars. I love to hear Charlie Blackman drives a 1998 Cherokee, and he still drives a Jeep Cherokee with a $200 million contract. That’s fun. We know you’re hitting 300 or winning 20 games. Give me something else. I don’t give a crap about all that.
Charlie Rymer (18:58):
I’m with you. Amen brother. Keep being you.
And in the spirit of that, I’ve got some maybe not rapid fire, but just some odd questions I want to finish up with. And I’m sure you’ve had this one a lot, but I got to know, when’s the last time you’ve had to buy your own beer in Boston?
Kevin Millar (19:15):
You know what? The Jack Daniels shots start flowing there. Because we did shots of Jack, we won eight games straight. So now everywhere I go now I’m like, I got to go in there secretly because I’m not sure if I want to sit here and drink this fire Jack Daniels at noon. But it’s been a while.
Charlie Rymer (19:33):
And deservedly so.
Okay, so past, present, wherever you want to go with this, and I’m glad you mentioned talk about the clubhouse field; all time funniest guy in the clubhouse.
Kevin Millar (19:47):
Ryan Dempster, Canadian boy. I said if I didn’t marry my wife, I’d marry Ryan Dempster when we were young. He cleaned house, he’s a great cook. He’s a 21 year old kid throwing 98 miles an hour, couldn’t throw a strike if you paid him. He was a second round pick. And I’m like, the nicest guy, the funniest guy, you have to have him on. He could do a Harry Caray impersonation. He is remarkable, remarkable as a human being. But he’s like a brother. And I told him, I said, Bro, I’d marry you. Before this got cool when dudes were getting married, I would marry you because you’re the best housekeeper I’ve ever been around.
Charlie Rymer (20:26):
I’m starting to get a little uncomfortable.
Kevin Millar (20:28):
You want to get married, Charlie?
Charlie Rymer (20:31):
What are you doing next week?
Hey, I was going to ask you the nastiest pitcher that you’ve ever faced. I’m just assuming the answer to that is Randy Johnson. I mean, what’s it like in a big situation? And I had a chance to just be around him a couple times when we come out to the Phoenix Open and play golf every year. And I just couldn’t imagine. I mean that dude’s like 10 feet tall. And I just couldn’t imagine even standing in the batter’s box with him slinging something at me.
Kevin Millar (20:57):
Yeah, he’s not nice either, let’s be honest. I mean he is not the most personable cozy guy. So he is not going to give you a hug after he strikes you out throwing 101 miles an hour. He would curl this little goatee below the lip and he’d sit there, and then he had this glove that he could barely see his eyes. I’m like, you’re 6’10”, he’s throwing 101 miles an hour. The release points halfway to the plate.
I’ll tell you a quick one. I went four for four on a game he started. I hit a home run, I hit a double. First time I faced him, everybody’s like, Oh, you owned Randy Johnson. I’m like, No, no, no, no, no. That was a thousand percent lucky. He struck me out 30 of the next 50 times. I’m telling you the most I’ve ever struck out was against Randy Johnson. And in my first game was, I think, the only four hits I’ve ever gotten off Randy Johnson.
Charlie Rymer (21:45):
Did he ever hit you?
Kevin Millar (21:45):
No, he didn’t hit me. Thank God. It would’ve went through my obliques and it would’ve came out the other side. So I think he felt bad for me. Man down over there.
Charlie Rymer (21:57):
So when I’m talking to baseball players, I just have this standard question and I love asking this. Have you ever in your career during a long inning had to go poopy really bad? And if so, how did you handle that?
Kevin Millar (22:13):
Yeah, thank God it was away uniforms. We had grays on. If you’re going home whites, it can get a little dicey. You might want to just go ahead and slide in the dugout and act like you fell so you can have the seeds and the dip and the spit, and then it just kind of blends in. So sometimes that happens. But the problem is when you’re at the plate, Charlie. You’re at the plate and that stomach starts hurting and you’re in between pitches, you’re looking out for a sign, and you got to get in and you let one go. Well the poor catcher and the umpire’s sitting there. That’s a big deal. Those poor guys, they got to suffer. Now they’re sitting there looking at each other. Well you know can’t tell them it was you. So then there’s like three dudes in there. But yeah, there’s plenty of times…
Charlie Rymer (22:53):
I love baseball players. You know, baseball players in the locker rooms and golfers, we look at the world the same way. Because I could tell you 20 minutes of poopy stories myself. And the best one…
Kevin Millar (23:07):
[inaudible 00:23:07] the next city.
Charlie Rymer (23:08):
Right. The best one ever heard was from Jack Nicholas. And I better keep that one to myself, but I think that’s why we get along so well.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Charlie Rymer (23:16):
This is just a curiosity thing, all the gunk that you guys put on the bat, golfer’s got to keep our hands clean. I have a phobia of sunscreen when I’m playing golf to the point I won’t shake hands with somebody because I didn’t want to get anything on the grip.
Kevin Millar (23:35):
Charlie Rymer (23:35):
Well y’all are the opposite. Y’all got the pine tar and all that stuff. But I’m seeing these guys now, and when I see a shot and I haven’t heard one of the announcers talk about it, there’s like a little thing, it’s plastic and it looks like a divot repair tool. And it goes in the… I don’t know if it’s bottom thumb or top thumb, but it’s just always the idiosyncrasies; the guy’s getting ready. It’s like every player has that little thumb thing. What in the world is that?
Kevin Millar (24:00):
Well, I called it a word that we can’t say on the show, but it’s a pad and it goes over here. So it lays inside here. So when you get jammed, you get this bone bruise in here. So they had this little pad. But you could think about the word I’m using, and as you can go blank pad.
Charlie Rymer (24:23):
Kevin Millar (24:23):
So that was basically when you would get jammed, you’d get this bone bruise and it hurt. Well they have those things you’d put over your thumb, and a lot of hitters use them, a lot of great hitters use them. Maybe I should have used them. But that was part of my thing was trying to be, No, no, I ain’t using that pad. No uh-huh. No.
I counted yesterday, Alex Verdugo, he had a toe pad on, he had an ankle guard on. He had an elbow guard on. He had a guard on his hand on, and he had a pad in the back of his pocket. So when he [inaudible 00:24:59] gets on first base, he puts on this wrist guard. I said, this guy. The problem is he’s going to get hit and it’s not going to hit any of those pads. You could foul it off the knee and the next day you’ll have a knee brace on and the next day you’ll have an oblique brace. So it is funny because the old days, I mean you just didn’t have those pads. Now we got pads for everything pads. And you got pads and pads everywhere. You got face pads, masks. And you remember the guys that had no ear flash back in the day when they hit, Dusty Baker and the boys.
Charlie Rymer (25:27):
Yeah. And the funny little gloves that they wear when they get on base, they got to run somebody out. I don’t understand all of that.
Kevin Millar (25:35):
It’s all looks.
Charlie Rymer (25:36):
We’re old guys. We’re old grumpy guys.
Kevin Millar (25:39):
Yeah. I go, Dude, what is that? To my kid. He goes, Come on dad, that’s some drip. I go, Drip? What the hell is drip? You know what drip is? Getting three hits and stealing a bag and winning a game for your team. That’s drip.
Charlie Rymer (25:50):
You’re the best. I could spend 10 hours doing this. I know you’re a busy man. You got to get out there and do all your ranching with the three cattle that you have, so you’re a paid rancher, which I can relate to. But I’m going to finish with this. Do you get free clothes from Peter Millar?
Kevin Millar (26:10):
Golly, I’m so glad you… Can we get that? That’s uncle Peter. No. I got to pay $98.28 like you do for a shirt from Peter Millar. And I’ve been saying Uncle Peter hasn’t gotten a hold of me. I’ve been trying text him.
So this is our job on this show is to get Charlie and Kevin a free Peter Millar shirt. I’m large. I’m a large now. I used to be an extra large. I’m a large I’m really an extra large, but I’m going to say I’m a large.
Charlie Rymer (26:36):
I’m going the other way. I don’t think they’d make anything in Peter Millar that would fit me.
Kevin Millar, thank you for your time. Keep being you. Love you buddy. Appreciate you taking time to come on the show.
Kevin Millar (26:47):
Love you too, bro. You’re awesome.