Longtime LPGA Instructor and Myrtle Beach golf ambassador Meredith Kirk joins Charlie on this episode. Listen in as they discuss her time at Coastal Carolina University, as well as Meredith’s compelling journey to her position now in the game as a leading figure in promoting Myrtle Beach golf. Enjoy the episode!
Charlie Rymer (00:21):
Hi, and welcome into the Charlie Rymer podcast. I’m your most of the time friendly host Charlie Rymer, except for right now, because I’m on a diet. I’m not very friendly when I’m on a diet. But we’ll get to that at a later show. But I need to be on a diet for sure. But welcome into our show. Thrilled to be joined by my fellow ambassador for Myrtle Beach, in particular golf here in Myrtle Beach, Meredith Kirk. Meredith, how are you doing this morning?
Meredith Kirk (00:51):
Great. Thanks so much for having me on your podcast. I got to brag and tell everyone, “Guess what I’m doing tomorrow? I’m going to be on the Charlie Rymer podcast!”
Charlie Rymer (01:00):
Did they go, “Who? Who?”
Meredith Kirk (01:02):
Everybody knows who you are, Charlie.
Charlie Rymer (01:06):
I was playing golf the other day with my buddy Mark Bryan, the lead guitarist for Hootie & the Blowfish. And we teed off on the 10th tee and the old guys would always hang out on the back of a golf course. They’re sitting there watching us hit. And I hit one down the middle and one guy, he leans over the other one and old guys talk loud anyway. And it’s like, he says “That’s Charlie Rymer.” And the other old guy says “Who?”
And Mark and I were standing there. And Mark, of course, you know playing with Hootie for all the years. The band is great, but Darius is the guy that most people recognize. And Mark looked at me, he said, “Welcome to my world.” So, that was a lot of fun. But those guys are great. It’s always fun to play golf with any of the guys in the band. And Darius is the best player in the band, but Mark’s not a bad player either.
But Meredith, great to have you on. I got a lot of things I was wanting to … places I’m wanting to go with you today. But first off, you grew up in Atlanta, you were born in Atlanta. You basically went out to Colorado. Your sister was training for the Olympics, was it figure skater or skiing?
I can’t remember. Skiing, wasn’t it?
Meredith Kirk (02:26):
No. Figure skating.
Charlie Rymer (02:27):
Figure skating. And that took you to Colorado. That’s where you fell in love with the game. And you got competitive. You ended up coming to Coastal Carolina and playing golf at Coastal Carolina. And that’s what I want to ask you about. Coastal Carolina with what happened with the football program last year. Of course, everybody knows Coastal Carolina’s got wonderful marine biology department and a lot of other great things going on. But being a Coastal Carolina grad, you’ve got to be really, really happy with what’s going on with that school right now.
Meredith Kirk (02:59):
Yes, it’s very exciting. I actually, I don’t even want to mention the date that I went to Coastal because then I’m totally giving my age away. But let’s say it’s in the nineties, we’ll go back … And it used to be USC. And then it changed to Coastal Carolina University in the nineties. And they actually just made the switch when I went to Coastal. So, it has grown so much.
I lived on campus my first year in the dorms. And it’s funny because those dorms are still out there and there’s kids still living in those same dorms. And they were really old when I was there. But I think they renovated them and stuff. But yeah, the school has grown so much and it’s just amazing the sports programs and some of the players that have come out of Coastal. So it’s pretty exciting to be Coastal alumni.
Charlie Rymer (03:50):
Yeah, it was great watching some of the games on ESPN, ESPN Game Day here in Myrtle Beach was really wonderful. The facility where Golf Tourism Solutions is based where our studio is here is on the Barefoot Resort, driving range that serves three of the four golf courses here at Barefoot Resort. And most days when I come in here to tape a show or get yelled at in some of the meetings, they yell at me a lot here and I probably deserve it too. That’s why I’m on a diet, by the way.
But anyway, on any given day, I either see some of the men or some of the women from Coastal out here practicing, and it really sort of gives a building a cool vibe and all of that. How have you stayed involved at all with the program? Do you stay in touch with what’s going on there on the golf side?
Meredith Kirk (04:40):
On the golf side, I don’t. I actually recently spoke with (CCU Men’s Coach Jim) Garren. He was on our Gimme Golf Podcast. And I actually ran into him a few weeks ago at Myrtlewood with the team out there because that’s where I teach at. And so I got a chance to connect with him and talk about his program. He’s really done a great job coming on board at Coastal, what he’s doing with the team. I just think so highly of him, he’s a really good coach. And right now with the COVID environment and everything, it’s going to be an interesting year. I know there’s a couple of seniors staying on his team. Which makes it challenging for the rising [younger players], those good players. Right now rosters are overflowing. And I think in the next year or two, it will kind of get back to normal.
But I mean, he’s got some really great players. I mean, Zack Taylor, I love his story. He gets to stay on another year for eligibility, that’s going to be great for Coastal as well. But yeah, it’s exciting. Coach Garren mentioned to me talking about the girls that when it comes to girls golf, really girls don’t get that much attention. We’re so gravitated to the male players. And even myself as a female, I’m an LPGA member, I tend to gravitate at times toward watching the men. And that’s another thing that I’d like to get more involved with, especially being a Coastal alumni, is getting out there and watching the girls as well as the guys.
They don’t get that much attention and these girls are amazing. And you know that Charlie, when it comes to the golf swing, I tell a lot of my male players to watch the ladies. I’m like, “Don’t watch the guys. Just actually watch an event on TV, LPGA players, go out and watch the female players because they have such a good rhythm and tempo.” And so anyway, great programs at Coastal. The boys and the girls are amazing. And I think things are going in the right direction for both of those teams.
Charlie Rymer (06:45):
Yeah. It’s great to see sort of like everything in Myrtle Beach, heading in the right direction here. And listen, I agree a hundred percent on you about what watching the girls. Because for over 99% of the golfers out there, watching some of these young ladies in particular, get out and play some of the younger players on LPGA, Veterans, College, even the junior golfers, we were watching them at the Dustin Johnson World Junior Golf Championship. That the game that they play is more relatable to what amateurs play than what goes on on the PGA TOUR. Because at PGA TOUR, the game is so one-dimensional now, it’s just blast away and it’s all about the week that you get hot with the driver. As a PGA TOUR player, when you get hot with that driver and you’re carrying at 330, and you’re finding the fairways that week.
That’s the week that you have a big week and it’s opposite of what the game used to be. It used to be, put the ball in play, get it on the green and the weeks you get hot with a putter, those are the weeks you make the money. But it’s not a complete game watching men’s golf at the highest level. The ladies to me on most golf courses have to use a little bit of strategy. They have to use every club in their bag. It’s a more interesting game and a lot more similar to what, say a five handicapper, five to 12 or 15 handicapper plays, the game that they play on their course on a daily basis is a lot more similar to what LPGA players are playing or relatable, not similar because LPGA players are going to smoke them. But it’s just more fun to watch people play a game of golf that they have to hit every club in the bag and think their way around a course.
Meredith Kirk (08:30):
It is. It’s realistic too. And like you said, the strategy, they’re having to use more clubs. That second shot, that club is going to be a lot different than what you’d see a PGA TOUR player. It’s almost like sometimes, when I watch the guys, I’m like, “This is golf on steroids right here.”
Charlie Rymer (08:48):
Yeah. It looks like golf, but it’s not really golf. It’s just so different than the game that I played growing up. And even my few years on the PGA TOUR. But hey, you mentioned Myrtlewood. Myrtlewood is a golf course that’s been around for a long time, of 36 holes there. It’s always been special to me because I grew up here in South Carolina. And when I was 15, I won the Carolinas Golf Association South Carolina Junior there. And it was like the first big tournament that I won. I’d won a few tournaments before that and it was like a peewee club championship or a regional thing. But the Palmetto course, the 18th hole that finishes right on the waterway, I know it’s been redone. The other course, I’m drawing a blank on the name. What’s the second-
Meredith Kirk (09:39):
Charlie Rymer (09:39):
PineHills has also been redone. Both of those golf courses have been redone in the past five years now. What a wonderful facility. I’m sure you enjoy teaching there every day.
Meredith Kirk (09:51):
I love it. And I love all the people. I mean, it’s so busy and a 36-hole facility. I mean, it’s great. I get to see people, our locals all the time. So when I’m on the [inaudible 00:10:01] it’s, “Hey, Meredith.” And I get to connect. And of course I’m a very talkative and social person, so I love it. I love people. [crosstalk 00:10:10] connect. And so I just like that because you get to connect with, especially like our Prime Times members in the area (the discounted way to play golf, which I always recommend to people. Get your Prime Times card!). A lot of them go out there and play. So I get to see our members out there. And also I get input on golf tips, “Hey, I need a tip for this.” And it gives me ideas on different content that we can give our viewers on what they’re wanting to learn.
But yeah, the course is awesome. Dan Schlegel did those renovations along with the Founders Group. And Dan is such a great guy, he did a phenomenal job and basically pretty much from my understanding with those renovations restored a lot of that course. Over time and decades, the green start to recede and the bunkers and whatnot, and also made additional changes. But the course is in great shape.
I love the greens out there. The greens are rolling really good right now, a lot of people know that I’m out at Myrtlewood and sometimes I’ll get texts like, “Hey, how are the greens? [crosstalk 00:11:13].” Got to come out. And so it’s great. And I love the staff there. The people that work there. Oh my goodness. I mean, they are a hoot! Every time I go out there, we’re just cracking jokes and stuff. So we have way too much fun at Myrtlewood.
Charlie Rymer (11:26):
Well, the thing is is any really cool golf facility has to have a place to hang out when you get finished. And that back deck there at Myrtlewood when the sun’s going down. It’s right on the Intracoastal Waterway. It’s got a great view of sunset and it’s always fun to hang out with golfers after a round a golf and everybody sort of decompress. And that’s when you get to tell the biggest lies. And sometimes people actually believe them. But a great hang. And I actually filmed a part of a show down there with Javier Colon, winner of “The Voice” on NBC. He loves golf as much as anybody I know.
And that show will be coming up here in a few months on the new Charlie Rymer Golf Show over on CBS Sports Network. So looking forward to getting that out. But right there at Myrtlewood, really neat place. If the folks are coming to town and they’re interested in booking some lessons with you, what’s the best way to do that Meredith?
Well, the best way is just the contact me directly. I have a website. It’s MeredithKirkCoaching.com. And you can contact me there. I have everything from over a hundred golf tips that you can just scroll through if you need a quick golf tip, a contact form, my teaching philosophy, a lot of people are interested in, “How do you teach with your concepts and methodology?” I just have everything there. So you can go to my website and check that out and then contact me and book through me.
Charlie Rymer (12:53):
Well, you’re so positive and passionate about golf. I know you enjoy teaching. So, let’s go back to finishing up Coastal Carolina. How did you get from finishing up at Coastal Carolina to be an LPGA member, teaching on a daily basis and being so passionate about this game?
Meredith Kirk (13:12):
Well, I have a unique story and I wish I could tell you I had the traditional four-year college golf experience. I actually did not. I moved here to play golf from Colorado, obviously with my sister’s training and whatnot, was very competitive. So you can imagine you’re in a family where you train. You know my sister’s was in the Olympics, I trained with golf. My whole world was golf growing up. I mean, I traveled. I won the Denver Open. I got to play in the Junior World Optimist. Got to play with Tiger Woods, even, when we were kids though, before [crosstalk 00:13:49]. So I had so many awesome experiences with junior golf. Did really well here in South Carolina.
But I found myself really burnt out late high school. I mean, I really didn’t have much of a social life. I mean, I did, I would say my sophomore and junior year of high school start to get out with friends and stuff. But I mean, I was grinding.
It was like right when school got out, I was at the golf course until dark. So I just was really burnt out. I had a lot of offers to play at various schools. A lot here in South Carolina and some Division II schools. And I just decided that I did not want to play golf my first year of college. I just, again, really burnt out. So I did not play my first year. And then my second year, still really was struggling with my passion for golf. It’s like I would go out to the course and just practice because I knew I would have to, I kind of lost a lot of passion in wanting to play competitively. So I took a year off, a mid gap year in college. Moved to Costa Rica and [crosstalk 00:14:58] Island of Hawaii. And I tell everyone it was my soul searching year of life.
I was 19 trying to figure out what I wanted to do with golf, and trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my life. Where was my passion? And also coincidentally, during that time, trying to figure out my own faith, my belief system. So I definitely was this young kid, 19, traveling the world, surfing too. I’m not a great surfer, but I did like this longboard. Actually got to enjoy the waves in Costa Rica and Hawaii. Literally almost got swallowed up on a wave in Hawaii and that’s a whole other story. I’m alive here to tell that story.
But anyway, came back from Hawaii. And Todd McCorkle was the head coach at Coastal and he let me walk on. And so that’s when I got involved a little bit in college golf. And it was after that year that I really got into instruction. So I don’t know if you remember Carolyn Cudone. Do you remember Carolyn Cudone? she used to run junior programs here along the Grand Strand, a wonderful lady. I don’t know if you remember [crosstalk 00:16:12].
Charlie Rymer (16:11):
I never met her, but I know who she was. And I always hear about how passionate she was about junior golf in particular. And I know she was a legend here in Myrtle Beach.
Meredith Kirk (16:21):
She really was. She was amazing. Well, she hired me to be a director of her junior program, one of the directors and I took on that responsibility in college and I really enjoyed it. And also [crosstalk 00:16:37] by a local, a golf school here to teach. And it was in that transition that I thought I’m not really … I just, I lost my passion to want to go on the LPGA Tour. I think I could have done it with my play. You have to have the heart. And so I was hired by … you know Gary Schaal?
Charlie Rymer (16:58):
Oh, very well. Yeah. He’s a neighbor of mine. Past president of PGA of America.
Meredith Kirk (17:02):
Charlie Rymer (17:02):
Yeah. The legend that is Gary Schaal. He’s the greatest.
Meredith Kirk (17:07):
Gary’s amazing. So actually, at this point, I was 20 because I had been back from Hawaii, was back at Coastal. And really determining, do I want to play golf or do I want to teach? And so I was again, running Carolyn’s condensed programs, helping with that, helping that local golf schools. And Gary hired me as an assistant pro at the old Deer Track [crosstalk 00:17:29] which is no longer there. And I remember just being really encouraged by him saying, “Hey, Meredith, you know, you have a great opportunity to come on board with the PGA. We need more females in the business.”
And so I was kind of motivated at that point, and found more of a passion on the business and teaching side of it. So that started my journey in the golf business. I can tell you that I have been pretty much in every role in the golf business. I mean, people see me now and they’re like, “Oh, Meredith’s the golf instructor.” But what people don’t realize is I’ve really carried many jobs in the golf business. I’ve been a first assistant, I’ve been an assistant. I have grinded behind the shop. I’ve worked at large facilities with multiple courses, tee times, bookings. I’ve been a beverage girl. That’s a lot of fun.
Charlie Rymer (18:19):
Yeah. That’s the only thing I haven’t done in golf. I haven’t been a beverage girl.
Meredith Kirk (18:25):
Yeah, just the whole gamut of the golf business. It’s really been a great journey. I think teaching definitely is something I’m most passionate about. I get lost when I’m teaching. I can be with a student. I mean, just yesterday I was teaching someone and we’re supposed to have an hour lesson. I look at my watch. I’m like, wait, I can add this 90 minutes. You need to go home.
Charlie Rymer (18:47):
Go home. Yeah, oh that’s great.
Meredith Kirk (18:50):
So it’s been really a blessed career. And I always wanted to have a lot of children too. That’s another thing I’ll mention. I wanted to have children young. I just, I always wanted that and desired to have kids young. And I did. So I have three boys. I had my first son when I was 22, my second son at 24 and my third son at 29. And now they’re 20, 18, and 14. So it’s really cool because really, I thank God, I’ve had so many blessings and my path in life is, it ebbs and flows. It’s had highs and lows. But I’m happy with the path that God’s given me because I’ve had the opportunity to raise a big family and continue my passion for golf. Although I never played professionally. I’m okay with that because this was the perfect plan for me.
Charlie Rymer (19:48):
I appreciate you sharing. It has been an amazing journey. Like you, I’m a person of faith. And I believe that if we get out of our own way, then we end up on the path that we’re supposed to be on. Sometimes it takes a while to get out of your own way, but certainly the big man’s got you where he wants you, no doubt about that.
One of the things I think is so cool, you mentioned your kids. I know you’re passionate about junior golf and it’s one of the things that people don’t realize I think when they watch professional golf on television and they see an LPGA star or a PGA TOUR star, and they just think, “Well, that person was born. Everything was perfect. They started playing golf. They won every tournament. They never had any issues with life. They’re always happy. Why wouldn’t you be happy because you play golf every day. And you play at a really cool school and you came out, you got the tour and you started winning tournaments.”
It doesn’t happen that way. There’s so many ups and downs in professional golf. And I know you mentioned your sister who was the skater and the training and all of that. But you give up your social life. There’s so many choices that you have to make if you’re going to be so highly specialized to develop in a sport where there’s only a couple of hundred people in the world that make a living at it and they make a lot of money. I mean, you have to sacrifice a lot and it starts early and that’s not for everybody. Because I can tell you that some of the … and I’m a positive, upbeat person like you are.
But some of the toughest moments I’ve had in my life were involved around golf. And especially, am I going to turn pro, am I not going to turn pro? I went through that same battle. And when you put in all that time and you’re not getting the performance, it’s easy to start thinking, “Well, I’m doing all the work. I’m not getting the results. I must be a bad person.” And that’s a dangerous place for young people to be in.
And it sounds like you were close to that and you went on your journey to Costa Rica and Kauai. And I’m glad that during that time, you apparently you got some clarity and a game plan. But a lot of people don’t have that luxury. But the path isn’t always clear. And fans don’t understand the sacrifice and all they see are the up times, they don’t understand the down times.
Meredith Kirk (22:12):
Oh, exactly. Yeah. There’s a little bit of like when you’re a competitive person, like you and I, I mean, I was competing at seven. We were a hardcore competitive family. Having a really competitive nature, you can shame yourself too. And I remember feeling severe guilt. Like I was a horrible person for giving up scholarships. I literally was turning schools down because I had no passion. I remember saying “My whole life I’ve worked for this. I’ve got it. And I don’t want it now. I need a break [crosstalk 00:22:52].” And so I went through a period of feeling like, “Oh no, I’m letting all these people down. I built this reputation of a player. I’m blowing it. I’m making all these mistakes.” That’s worse on competitive people. I think it’s harder on our mind because we’re used to training.
We’re used to more of a regimen. And so for me, it was just, I had to kind of hit that bottom of figuring out who I was, what I wanted to do with life. And there’s a lot more to life than golf. And I think that’s where balance comes in. And I think that’s key even for, as you know, the best players that there has to be a balance in life. You have to have time for friends. You’d have to make that time to connect. Because if you just get tunnel vision, you’re going to hit a wall. [crosstalk 00:23:44] hit a wall. And I put so much pressure on myself trying to be perfect, trying to be a perfectionist, and God let me fail. He let me fail time and time and again, in the learning process to realize, “Okay, it’s okay if I don’t have this perfect collegiate career, it’s okay if I don’t play professionally. I’m not letting people down. Ultimately I have to do what I feel in my heart that’s best for me.”
And again, it’s not for everybody. And like you said, you said something really key, there’s not many people that make it to that level and to sacrifice (like) you’ve sacrificed for years. So many different things. And it’s a very big decision. And if you’re on Instagram or Twitter, and you’re looking at social media profiles of so many great players, the men and the women, they’re positive and everything, but it’s a lot of work. It’s a lot of work.
Charlie Rymer (24:44):
It definitely is a ton of work. And one of the things that I see in junior golf, and I’m sure you’ve dealt with a lot of, the parents that can push these kids really way too hard. And I think a lot of times the parents that are pushing kids are the ones that either don’t know the sport at all, or think they were a lot better than they actually were when they were a kid and thought “If I had just worked harder I would’ve got to the PGA TOUR.” But I see it in other sports too. Like you, we had a chance to travel and meet so many folks. I’ve got so many friends that are professionals in other sports, a lot of times the hall of fame type folks that end up having friendships with.
And it’s like, they always say, let your kid do other things. Don’t make them focus on one sport. And every time you sit down and you talk to a Major League Baseball player, NFL player, a PGA TOUR player, anyone who’s made it to the big leagues and they have kids you start talking about it. And you say, “Well, they’ve got to do because they want to do it. And I want them to do other things.” And then you go and you talk to coaches that are in that particular sport, and I had a three-sport athlete, my youngest son, and the biggest problem he ran into is every single coach, the football coach, the baseball coach, the basketball coach said, “Well, I don’t want him to play another sport. I want him to specialize.” And I say, “Well …”
I spend time with Lou Holtz every Friday.And Lou Holtz says, “Play other sports. Do other things. Have other interests. [inaudible 00:26:24] doesn’t really.” And I’m like, “No, no, no, it does. It does make a difference.” Have some life away from being 100% focused all the time on your particular sport or you’ll end up going crazy. And that’s why I think a lot of the top athletes, and Jack Nicklaus is a great example in golf. He had a very strong life away from playing professional golf.
In fact, he’s one of the reasons the top players only play in 18-20 tournaments max a year because he said, “You got to focus on … you got other things that you do.” His family, his hunting, his fishing, his other businesses. That sort of protected his sanity. And a lot of times you’ll go to someone’s house who’s a baseball great and walk around their house. You won’t even know anybody there ever played baseball. Same thing with some of the golfers. And the people that are causing problems are the ones that are forcing kids to not have anything else in their life. And it ends up being a big issue, I think for junior golfers.
Meredith Kirk (27:23):
It’s a huge issue. And one thing I haven’t ever really shared with anybody is I played tennis in high school too. And I actually went through a period of time, you know late high school where I enjoyed tennis a lot more than golf, but I was much better competitively at golf. And again, this is nineties. We’re going back into the mindset of coaches back then, because it’s changed a little bit where playing dual sports is becoming … science is showing with the brain and everything that it actually could be more beneficial now. But I was playing two sports. And I remember my tennis coach, the tennis was affecting my golf swing, a little bit in a negative way. So my high school tennis coach talked to my golf coach and said, “Meredith’s good at tennis.”
I was actually playing number one doubles. I would actually play like sometimes as singles, I would be like number six. Not as good at singles, but I was really good at doubles. I had a really good partner, Callie, I played with. And she and I were a good team. But my tennis coach basically told my golf coach, “I think Meredith needs to … she has to choose, it needs to be golf because she’s playing better golf than tennis, but she’s pretty good at tennis.” And I remember my golf coach telling me, you need to quit tennis. And I’m thinking, “I don’t want to tell you this coach, I like tennis better.” But at that time, as a kid, obviously what I’m doing now, I love. But I remember quitting tennis because I was told by a coach that I have to stick with the sport that I’m best in and go with that. And that’s just [crosstalk 00:29:04].
Charlie Rymer (29:03):
And then quickly after that, you’re dealing with burnout in the sport that you … yeah.
Meredith Kirk (29:08):
And then I lost … I mean, I was actually, there was a couple times I snuck away from golf practice and met some of my players on my team with tennis. And I wouldn’t even tell my parents I had golf practice. I’d head to the tennis courts and I played tennis. And I just sometimes needed the change. I just needed to the change. [crosstalk 00:29:31] but there was a book and who was it written by, but it talked about playing two sports and it compared to Tiger Woods with Federer. When he was playing tennis growing up, he played multiple sports.
He actually was a really good soccer player. It wasn’t until late high school that he really developed tennis. And obviously we know Tiger’s story. So it shows the best tennis player ever, the best golfer ever. And one of them came in to their sport late playing multiple sports, and guess what? They both made it to the top. [crosstalk 00:30:08] this book, now it’s going to drive me nuts because I don’t have the name of it. But it compares how our minds work and how much better really it can be to play multiple sports. And had we had some of that information in the nineties, I might not have gone through that burnout.
Charlie Rymer (30:26):
Yeah. Right. And it’s mental. It’s emotional. And it’s physical too. Because being in a rotational sport, especially you think about junior golf, you walk and you’re carrying your bag all the time. You’re hitting balls. You’re hitting them as hard as you can. And you end up having some issues and doing a little bit of that cross training and getting into some other sports is something that’s I think can be really, really helpful.
Well, Meredith we appreciate you joining us here today on the podcast. For the folks listening and viewing, they can find you at Myrtlewood here in the Myrtle Beach area. It’s sort of centrally located, two great golf courses out there. The website is MeredithKirkCoaching.com.
Meredith Kirk (31:11):
Charlie Rymer (31:15):
MeredithKirkCoaching.com. And when you’re booking your trip to Myrtle Beach … And Meredith, I tell everybody right now, if you’re going to come to Myrtle Beach this year, you better book it right now because things are on fire down here. If you wait much longer to book your trip, we’re going to be full folks. So get busy. You can always do that at PlayGolfMyrtleBeach.com. You represent Founders Group International and their website is …
Meredith Kirk (31:43):
Charlie Rymer (31:44):
So we can fix you up, go to either one of those sites, folks. And Meredith, I appreciate you sharing. It’s always great having you on. Look forward to seeing you out on the golf course and love to have you back on the show sometime.
Meredith Kirk (31:55):
Thanks so much, Charlie. Good seeing you.
Charlie Rymer (31:57):
All right. That’s Meredith Kirk folks. Former Mrs. South Carolina. Her life has been an adventure. If you want some help with your golf game, go see her. She’s very knowledgeable and I just love being around positive folks. And honestly, that’s the way to go. And folks, make sure that you like us, wherever it is that you view your podcast. And we’ll see you next time right here on the Charlie Rymer Balls In The Air Podcast. Appreciate it!